Vengeance 3 - Rebirth (17:00)
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Just a couple thoughts
1 - for those of you who are posting here saying "ALL the credit goes to the healers" : You people OBVIOUSLY have no idea how many calculations acually go on behind the scenes of WoW. In order for him to be able to do this of COURSE he needs healers (duh). The only difference here is that, unlike normal tanking classes, he is doing alot more than just generating aggro. The ability to manage threat alone is more than most tanks can handle (just ask any dps or healer who has EVER had to "SLOW DOWN" because the tank isn't good enough). Add to that the ability to switch on-the-fly from that train of thought to healing and then to mitigation and then back and we've just passed the threshold of understanding that you possess (which is painfully obvious by your comments.)
2 - for those of you who have posted on Lithaniel's wow forum thread that "this will never work" and it's "just stupid" and "nobody would ever raid with you" and all the other small minded comments there : WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU WANT THIS TO FAIL?!?!?!?!? I don't care WHO you are this is a good thing. If you dps, you'd rarely (if ever thanks to their high level of initial threat and tps) have to stop or slow down your dps due to your tank again. If you heal, all of a sudden keeping everyone alive becomes a lot easier because you won't have to wait for your tank to get aggro built up before you let loose. If you're a traditional tank class and this idea bothers you, then YOU need to learn how to do your job better. I guarantee you that this idea doesn't threaten the good tanks out there at all because it aslo adds depth to the potential of their raid groups. Once those of us who have embraced this idea and come to grips with its potential are able to figure out all the subtle nuances of making it work better; we will no longer have a need for crappy tanks and with just a few gear changes, we can fulfill MT, OT, CASTER DPS, and OH roles. This is a win-win for everyone; faster raids, faster 5 mans, faster 5 man world kills. Just do the math, 1 tank, 1 healer and 3 dps OR 1 tank, 1 healer and 4 dps.
i dont get a moonkin tank i looked it up & confirmed that a bear tank would b alot better & i have no idea how ur raid isnt aggroing him with u hardly doing any dps & healing urself. also with that much heals a arms or fury war with half tank gear could prob do what u did. & i hate to sound like im dissing but i would never raid with a moonkin
Right ok.
Good fun and all.. but you do get critted shatloads mate.. i mean you have some nice tps and all but it stops there.
In my opinion the real props should go to your healers.. and then you cacn get some applause for getting your raid leaders nuts enough the first time:P
Fun vid to watch
Just my two pence to this -
What you are probably seeing are crushing blows and not crit hits. (From Lith on his own post on the WoW-EU forum he states that you need a resilience of 224 to avoid crit hits so you would assume he has this and more himself)
Crushing blows on the other hand are something that not even a Feral Tank can really mitigate as even a BT/Hyjal equipped feral cannot push then off the hit table. To become uncrushable, you require a combined miss/dodge/parry/block of 102.4% which is something druids cannot really do as they only have dodge and is hard even for Pallys and Warriors - even with Shield Block and Holy Shield. (Again look it up on wowwiki.com)
I am fascinated by the idea of this as your tank now gets threat from DPS not from Taunts (which most bosses are immune to anyways), so there is no, "Wait for me to get 5 sunders before you start" - DPS kicks off straight away. How can this not be a good thing in a DPS type race boss?
The only shortfall would be the Panzerkins slightly reduced health pool. Yes your healers might have to have slightly more +heal and be slightly more involved than falling asleep healbots due to the Panzerkins less HP but again, more involved for everyone.
I love this idea and big kudos for it and all the work put in behind it - only for people to put you down. Well done mate
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crockerl24tr3 ur dumb this was not done to replace tanks it was done for bragging rights fyi retadin steals aggro but prince quickly kills him and on king he starts out attacking alone at first to build threat and for that part it took three healers to keep him alive and all yal who say yal wouldn't raid with mookin i would ( yea i ran that with a moonkin for a tank and why u ask cause my guild so good we could so why not)